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Cary
post Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
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http://comicrelated.com/blog.php#american-way-no-more

So I read that yesterday and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off. You can take all your sweet little PC talk about how the world is so much smaller these days and shove it. Superman has always fought for truth justice and the AMERICAN way. That's who he is. If he had fallen to Earth in Russia things might be different, but he didn't. So now they strip yet another piece of the character away, in what I can only view as a marketing scheme. They should have left him dead after Doomsday. This...is a travesty. DC comics should be ashamed.


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post Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
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Cary, you said "always," I was just correcting you, sir. wink.gif

But no, it's NOT as big a deal as people are making it because it's just one single writer's take on it in a short buried in an over-sized anniversary issue that will most likely never tie into regular continuity. If it does, then sure, it COULD be a big deal. Right now, not really.

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And in the context of the story, Superman (not Clark) is renouncing because his appearance at a demonstration in Iran caused an international incident as people thought he was there as an act of US military aggression (even though he did nothing aggressive), so he said to save from doing that he was appearing before the UN and renouncing as to leave the US out of it and be able to go where he needed to go without causing such incidents.

In a way, for a hero the caliber of Superman, it's kind of a noble and sacrificial thing to do...

Furthermore, the story itself was nothing more than a social and political commentary by film writer turn comic writer. In the story was an homage to the famous US incident of the hippie putting a flower in the barrel of a cop's rifle. It's a fluff piece that doesn't impact the comic beyond this one short, so I don't personally get what all the fuss is about.


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post May 1 2011, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ Apr 30 2011, 03:57 PM) *
Cary, you said "always," I was just correcting you, sir. wink.gif

But no, it's NOT as big a deal as people are making it because it's just one single writer's take on it in a short buried in an over-sized anniversary issue that will most likely never tie into regular continuity. If it does, then sure, it COULD be a big deal. Right now, not really.

SPOILER

And in the context of the story, Superman (not Clark) is renouncing because his appearance at a demonstration in Iran caused an international incident as people thought he was there as an act of US military aggression (even though he did nothing aggressive), so he said to save from doing that he was appearing before the UN and renouncing as to leave the US out of it and be able to go where he needed to go without causing such incidents.

In a way, for a hero the caliber of Superman, it's kind of a noble and sacrificial thing to do...

Furthermore, the story itself was nothing more than a social and political commentary by film writer turn comic writer. In the story was an homage to the famous US incident of the hippie putting a flower in the barrel of a cop's rifle. It's a fluff piece that doesn't impact the comic beyond this one short, so I don't personally get what all the fuss is about.


Brant, just by your post I completely get that you don't understand, and that's cool, I suppose. Superman falls back as a character so much on the upbringing his parents gave him. In fact the whole New Krypton thing kept bringing that back into focus, because he's clearly vastly different due to that raising than he might otherwise have been. That AMERICAN upbringing means something, and to far more people than just comic fans. People flock here from all over the world with the promise of a better life, with the promise of freedoms they never dreamed of where they come from. It's a very serious privilege to live in this country, a place where even speech we don't always agree with, or religions that make our skins crawl are allowed. American citizenship isn't something to be discarded like an empty milk jug. We take too many of our freedoms and rights for granted, and we've cheapened what it means to be an American. That's what's sad about this story.


QUOTE (Erik Adams @ Apr 30 2011, 03:57 PM) *
Do you really want any character to go on without any big controversial changes?


I'm fine with character changes. In fact I LOVE them. This isn't a character change though. It's a fundamental alteration of a character without any real need or justification other than the personal views of the writer coming through.

And say what you want about the origins of the tagline "American way" It's been around and a part of the identity of the character for over 60 years. That's not something to take lightly either.


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post May 1 2011, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 07:30 AM) *
It's a fundamental alteration of a character without any real need or justification other than the personal views of the writer coming through.


This so-called alteration had to have been approved editorially. Writers don't work in vacuums either at DC or Marvel.

Rather than use this shallow and fundamentally silly (not to mention illogical) plot point as a political soapbox, it would make more sense to pillory DC for employing such cheap-ass tactics to stir up controversy and publicity.

This is a cynical marketing move...it has far and away less to do with "the personal views of the writer" than management saying to editorial, "Hey, we need more attention drawn to Superman since Marvel kicked our asses sales-wise with the death of the Human Torch."

Good God, why else would DC have sent press releases about this story to all the major media news outlets so even Chris Matthews on Hardball talked about it? Do you think DC does this as a matter of course when one their characters changes costumes?

By waving the flag in a knee-jerk reaction (figuratively speaking), you're dong exactly what they want you to do. Don't be their pawn.

This post has been edited by Mark Ellis: May 1 2011, 07:11 AM


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- Cary   Citizen no more   Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
- - Glen Davis   That's the way I feel about it.   Apr 30 2011, 11:33 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Glen Davis @ Apr 30 2011, 01:33 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:47 AM
|- - tbrotomo   Gimmicky and ridiculous. What's really annoy...   Apr 30 2011, 12:08 PM
- - Gonzogoose   That's actually not necessarily true, Cary. Th...   Apr 30 2011, 12:19 PM
- - Cary   Ok so it's only been "American way" ...   Apr 30 2011, 02:07 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ Apr 30 2011, 12:07 PM) Ok s...   May 1 2011, 10:39 PM
- - Tim Tilley   I'm just mostly re-posting what I said on Face...   Apr 30 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Dave Arhar   It's definitely a publicity stunt, but I think...   Apr 30 2011, 02:52 PM
- - Tim Tilley   I think the main reason I don't care is becaus...   Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
- - Gonzogoose   Honestly, I don't even think that was their in...   Apr 30 2011, 03:01 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   You realize of course that unless Superman (not Cl...   Apr 30 2011, 03:54 PM
- - Mike Luoma   Supes is an illegal. Always has been, really. Look...   Apr 30 2011, 04:30 PM
- - Eric Adams   Man, this thread is ripe for sparring... First, I...   Apr 30 2011, 08:08 PM
- - wwi3313   Perhaps if this was a part of a bigger storyline -...   Apr 30 2011, 09:00 PM
- - ChadStrohl   Sounds like the writer in question is honoring the...   Apr 30 2011, 10:47 PM
|- - tbrotomo   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ Apr 30 2011, 09:47 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:52 PM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 1 2011, 12:47 AM)...   May 2 2011, 07:30 AM
- - Gonzogoose   Cary, it's not that I don't understand... ...   May 1 2011, 09:12 AM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 1 2011, 10:12 AM)...   May 1 2011, 02:57 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 04:57 PM) As to...   May 2 2011, 07:53 AM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 06:53 AM)...   May 2 2011, 12:33 PM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 2 2011, 01:33 PM) G...   May 2 2011, 05:35 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 04:35 PM) It...   May 2 2011, 06:43 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 07:35 PM) Accor...   May 2 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - Gonzogoose   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:02 PM
- - Gonzogoose   I just think that there are two ways to view this....   May 1 2011, 03:34 PM
- - Cary   Being a Superman fan and reader going back almost ...   May 2 2011, 06:00 AM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 08:00 AM) And f...   May 2 2011, 06:35 AM
- - Kenn Minter   I'm on Superman's side. I think it's g...   May 2 2011, 07:55 AM
- - Glen Davis   http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoo...on-th...   May 2 2011, 11:33 AM
- - Liam Bradley   I F**KING LOVE THIS THREAD.   May 2 2011, 07:12 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Zodar @ May 2 2011, 09:30 AM) I...   May 2 2011, 09:01 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:05 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 2 2011, 07:05 PM)...   May 3 2011, 03:24 AM
|- - Glen Davis   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 3 2011, 02:24 AM) W...   May 3 2011, 11:18 AM
|- - Gordon_D   Rather than get involved in some of the more jingo...   May 3 2011, 07:54 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gordon_D @ May 3 2011, 06:54 PM) R...   May 4 2011, 05:00 AM
- - Cary   Ah, Brett Booth has decided everyone who has an op...   May 3 2011, 05:43 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 3 2011, 07:43 AM) That ...   May 3 2011, 10:36 AM
- - Gonzogoose   He's not wadding it up and throwing it away, t...   May 3 2011, 05:57 AM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 06:57 AM)...   May 3 2011, 06:01 AM
- - Gonzogoose   Well, in real life, anytime America intervenes in ...   May 3 2011, 06:12 AM
- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 05:12 AM)...   May 3 2011, 08:23 AM
- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 07:12 AM)...   May 4 2011, 05:35 AM
- - Zodar   QUOTE (Cary @ May 4 2011, 07:35 AM) It wo...   May 4 2011, 06:21 AM
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