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Cary
post Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
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http://comicrelated.com/blog.php#american-way-no-more

So I read that yesterday and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off. You can take all your sweet little PC talk about how the world is so much smaller these days and shove it. Superman has always fought for truth justice and the AMERICAN way. That's who he is. If he had fallen to Earth in Russia things might be different, but he didn't. So now they strip yet another piece of the character away, in what I can only view as a marketing scheme. They should have left him dead after Doomsday. This...is a travesty. DC comics should be ashamed.


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post May 1 2011, 09:12 AM
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Cary, it's not that I don't understand... I am American after all, always have been. It's funny, anytime I disagree with you, you think I just don't understand or get it. I get it. But my point is it's a marketing ploy and therefore means nothing. You really think DC is going to alienate American fans of Superman for a long period of time? Well, any more than they already have that is...

Listen to Zone 4 next week. One important fact I overlooked is that David S. Goyer, the writer for this story, is also the writer of next year's Man of Steel film. Obviously it's either something noted in the film, or he's preparing audiences for the fact that Superman is the world's and not just America's. Regardless, it's still a marketing ploy (something I played down at first, but clearly see now), and as Mark said, you're being sucked in by it. I'm choosing to side step it. wink.gif


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post May 1 2011, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 1 2011, 10:12 AM) *
Cary, it's not that I don't understand... I am American after all, always have been. It's funny, anytime I disagree with you, you think I just don't understand or get it. I get it. But my point is it's a marketing ploy and therefore means nothing. You really think DC is going to alienate American fans of Superman for a long period of time? Well, any more than they already have that is...

Listen to Zone 4 next week. One important fact I overlooked is that David S. Goyer, the writer for this story, is also the writer of next year's Man of Steel film. Obviously it's either something noted in the film, or he's preparing audiences for the fact that Superman is the world's and not just America's. Regardless, it's still a marketing ploy (something I played down at first, but clearly see now), and as Mark said, you're being sucked in by it. I'm choosing to side step it. wink.gif


I say you don't get it, because your statements lead me to believe just that. I understand it's a marketing ploy. In fact if you read my very first post, I said that very thing. It's pretty obvious really, if you look at it. Does that make it less wrong somehow? "Oh it's ok that they did that, it was only a marketing thing." That's a BS excuse, and it excuses nothing. Doesn't matter why they did it, what matters is it's wrong.

As to playing right into their hands by raging about it...that's how people get rounded up and put into camps. By not speaking out about something that's wrong and thinking that if we ignore it the problem will somehow go away. I'd rather do my part to get the word out, regardless of how small that might be, thanks. In addition, I will continue speaking with my wallet as well, and pass on DC comics. With stories like this, they certainly don't want my business.


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post May 2 2011, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 04:57 PM) *
As to playing right into their hands by raging about it...that's how people get rounded up and put into camps. By not speaking out about something that's wrong and thinking that if we ignore it the problem will somehow go away. I'd rather do my part to get the word out, regardless of how small that might be, thanks.


Actually, all you're accomplishing with your outraged rhetoric is doing your part to encourage 'em to keep on doing it.

The marketing and PR people at Warner/DC who concoct this crap operate on the "shit thrown against the wall" principle.

If the shit sticks--as your reaction shows it does--then after the tulmut about Superman renouncing his citizenship dies down, they'll come up with something else to make you freak out...like Wonder Woman announcing she's a lesbian or that Black Lightning converting to Islam or something along those lines.

Whether your reaction is negative or positive, you're helping the people who come up with this crap to keep their jobs by doing your part to "get the word out."

It's not courage...it's cooperation.




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QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 06:53 AM) *
Actually, all you're accomplishing with your outraged rhetoric is doing your part to encourage 'em to keep on doing it.

The marketing and PR people at Warner/DC who concoct this crap operate on the "shit thrown against the wall" principle.

If the shit sticks--as your reaction shows it does--then after the tulmut about Superman renouncing his citizenship dies down, they'll come up with something else to make you freak out...like Wonder Woman announcing she's a lesbian or that Black Lightning converting to Islam or something along those lines.

Whether your reaction is negative or positive, you're helping the people who come up with this crap to keep their jobs by doing your part to "get the word out."

It's not courage...it's cooperation.


Glad you responded to that comment. I saw the 'rounded up into camps bit' and thought 'Really? Over a comic? Who the heck is gonna round people up and thrown them into detention camps over a comic." Pretty far fetched to me. (Just shows the passion people have for these characters).

But look at it this way. What nationality is Henry Cavill, the actor playing Superman? British. And what nationality is the actor playing Batman? British. Actor playing Spider-man? Ah, you know the rest.
These characters, no matter about their origins, belong to the world. Why? Because they have transcended the borders of the page, and even the country of their origins. And that is not a bad thing, that just shows how small the world has become. We have a world where a message can be sent from one side of the earth to the other in minutes, where news can get around in the blink of an eye, and where people can look at a hero/heroine, and take away something special from the character(which many's a writer fails to grasp).

Cary cited Superman as being an American. But then conceded he is not, even if his ideals and the way he is raised are as American as Apple pie, the guy is not american. Same as if I was to start a family here, move to the states, and raise my kids with a traditional American upbringing. They would have American ideals, and sound American, but they would be Irish (to do all that, I would have to find a willing host...aka, a wife smile.gif ). Krypton is his legacy, his heritage. Similar to how we, as a people, carry on certain traditions left to us by our ancestors, he carries certain Kryptonian rituals with him also. He has even held memories of certain stories and tales that originated from Krypton, as seen in books like JLA and his own titles.

Lastly, what would be so wrong if Black Lightning became a muslim? There are terrorists in every religion and none, so why would it be such a big deal?
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- Cary   Citizen no more   Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
- - Glen Davis   That's the way I feel about it.   Apr 30 2011, 11:33 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Glen Davis @ Apr 30 2011, 01:33 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:47 AM
|- - tbrotomo   Gimmicky and ridiculous. What's really annoy...   Apr 30 2011, 12:08 PM
- - Gonzogoose   That's actually not necessarily true, Cary. Th...   Apr 30 2011, 12:19 PM
- - Cary   Ok so it's only been "American way" ...   Apr 30 2011, 02:07 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ Apr 30 2011, 12:07 PM) Ok s...   May 1 2011, 10:39 PM
- - Tim Tilley   I'm just mostly re-posting what I said on Face...   Apr 30 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Dave Arhar   It's definitely a publicity stunt, but I think...   Apr 30 2011, 02:52 PM
- - Gonzogoose   Cary, you said "always," I was just corr...   Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ Apr 30 2011, 03:57 PM...   May 1 2011, 05:30 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 07:30 AM) It...   May 1 2011, 06:42 AM
- - Tim Tilley   I think the main reason I don't care is becaus...   Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
- - Gonzogoose   Honestly, I don't even think that was their in...   Apr 30 2011, 03:01 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   You realize of course that unless Superman (not Cl...   Apr 30 2011, 03:54 PM
- - Mike Luoma   Supes is an illegal. Always has been, really. Look...   Apr 30 2011, 04:30 PM
- - Eric Adams   Man, this thread is ripe for sparring... First, I...   Apr 30 2011, 08:08 PM
- - wwi3313   Perhaps if this was a part of a bigger storyline -...   Apr 30 2011, 09:00 PM
- - ChadStrohl   Sounds like the writer in question is honoring the...   Apr 30 2011, 10:47 PM
|- - tbrotomo   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ Apr 30 2011, 09:47 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:52 PM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 1 2011, 12:47 AM)...   May 2 2011, 07:30 AM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 06:53 AM)...   May 2 2011, 12:33 PM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 2 2011, 01:33 PM) G...   May 2 2011, 05:35 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 04:35 PM) It...   May 2 2011, 06:43 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 07:35 PM) Accor...   May 2 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - Gonzogoose   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:02 PM
- - Gonzogoose   I just think that there are two ways to view this....   May 1 2011, 03:34 PM
- - Cary   Being a Superman fan and reader going back almost ...   May 2 2011, 06:00 AM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 08:00 AM) And f...   May 2 2011, 06:35 AM
- - Kenn Minter   I'm on Superman's side. I think it's g...   May 2 2011, 07:55 AM
- - Glen Davis   http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoo...on-th...   May 2 2011, 11:33 AM
- - Liam Bradley   I F**KING LOVE THIS THREAD.   May 2 2011, 07:12 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Zodar @ May 2 2011, 09:30 AM) I...   May 2 2011, 09:01 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:05 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 2 2011, 07:05 PM)...   May 3 2011, 03:24 AM
|- - Glen Davis   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 3 2011, 02:24 AM) W...   May 3 2011, 11:18 AM
|- - Gordon_D   Rather than get involved in some of the more jingo...   May 3 2011, 07:54 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gordon_D @ May 3 2011, 06:54 PM) R...   May 4 2011, 05:00 AM
- - Cary   Ah, Brett Booth has decided everyone who has an op...   May 3 2011, 05:43 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 3 2011, 07:43 AM) That ...   May 3 2011, 10:36 AM
- - Gonzogoose   He's not wadding it up and throwing it away, t...   May 3 2011, 05:57 AM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 06:57 AM)...   May 3 2011, 06:01 AM
- - Gonzogoose   Well, in real life, anytime America intervenes in ...   May 3 2011, 06:12 AM
- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 05:12 AM)...   May 3 2011, 08:23 AM
- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 07:12 AM)...   May 4 2011, 05:35 AM
- - Zodar   QUOTE (Cary @ May 4 2011, 07:35 AM) It wo...   May 4 2011, 06:21 AM
- - cougar18   QUOTE (Zodar @ May 4 2011, 05:21 AM) Yeah...   May 4 2011, 06:44 AM


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