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Cary
post Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
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http://comicrelated.com/blog.php#american-way-no-more

So I read that yesterday and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off. You can take all your sweet little PC talk about how the world is so much smaller these days and shove it. Superman has always fought for truth justice and the AMERICAN way. That's who he is. If he had fallen to Earth in Russia things might be different, but he didn't. So now they strip yet another piece of the character away, in what I can only view as a marketing scheme. They should have left him dead after Doomsday. This...is a travesty. DC comics should be ashamed.


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post May 3 2011, 06:12 AM
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Well, in real life, anytime America intervenes in any nation we, as a nation, get a LOT of flack for that from various nations, and from many within our own nation. Multiply that by the sheer power of one like Superman. If you're a foreign country's government, or radical groups, or whatever who wants no help from the USA, imagine having it forced upon you by a guy who is nearly indestructible and can wipe you out with a mere flick of his finger so to speak.

Fear and intolerance, and the world's view of our nation as prideful and putting our nose where (they perceive) it doesn't belong dictates that realistically they'd have a problem with a massively powered individual representing that nation they're not too fond of interfering, regardless of his intentions.


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post May 4 2011, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 07:12 AM) *
Well, in real life, anytime America intervenes in any nation we, as a nation, get a LOT of flack for that from various nations, and from many within our own nation. Multiply that by the sheer power of one like Superman. If you're a foreign country's government, or radical groups, or whatever who wants no help from the USA, imagine having it forced upon you by a guy who is nearly indestructible and can wipe you out with a mere flick of his finger so to speak.

Fear and intolerance, and the world's view of our nation as prideful and putting our nose where (they perceive) it doesn't belong dictates that realistically they'd have a problem with a massively powered individual representing that nation they're not too fond of interfering, regardless of his intentions.


Sure. I understand what you're saying. But you can't have it both ways. Is it just a comic, as you guys have mentioned, or are we now talking real life? I've never seen Superman driven out of foreign airspace when he was trying to save people, or the world for that matter. They seem to me to be quite happy to have him there, American citizenship and all.

QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 3 2011, 07:12 AM) *
So...when he inevitably renounces his renunciation, won't that send the wrong message, too--that's he wishy-washy, mercurial and doesn't have the courage of his convictions?


It would seem wishy washy, no doubt about it. In my opinion it's completely against his character to renounce his citizenship in the first place, but yeah going back on that after making such a big deal about it certainly seems like he can't make up his mind. Which way would I rather have it? I'd like to see him admit he's wrong and take it back. I can respect someone a lot more for admitting a mistake than acting like they never did anything wrong in the first place.


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post May 4 2011, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE (Cary @ May 4 2011, 07:35 AM) *
It would seem wishy washy, no doubt about it. In my opinion it's completely against his character to renounce his citizenship in the first place, but yeah going back on that after making such a big deal about it certainly seems like he can't make up his mind. Which way would I rather have it? I'd like to see him admit he's wrong and take it back. I can respect someone a lot more for admitting a mistake than acting like they never did anything wrong in the first place.



Yeah, but some of us don't think he did anything wrong. And in my opinion, and obviously in the opinion of the writer and editors, it is not against his character. It's not like he was raping babies or something else that everyone, no matter their politics, would think is wrong and out of character. The only mistake I see is in having it in such a small story without context or reprecussion.

The wrongness here is simply your opinion. That's a totally valid opinion. I think it was out of character and a major mistake that Spider-Man made a deal with the devil. I voice this disagreement by not buying Spider-Man comics.

But to equate something that is a matter of opinion to something that will lead to people being rounded up in camps undermines your position. By saying that, what you are doing is equating everyone that disagrees with you with Nazi collaborators. You may say I'm reading into it what you said too much, but you are reading into the story just as much to see it as an anti-American statement.

Feel free to not like the story, and to voice you displeasure with it. That's cool, that's what we as comics fans do. But you can't say that everyone with a different view just doesn't get it or is wrong. That's not cool.


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- Cary   Citizen no more   Apr 30 2011, 05:19 AM
- - Glen Davis   That's the way I feel about it.   Apr 30 2011, 11:33 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Glen Davis @ Apr 30 2011, 01:33 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:47 AM
|- - tbrotomo   Gimmicky and ridiculous. What's really annoy...   Apr 30 2011, 12:08 PM
- - Gonzogoose   That's actually not necessarily true, Cary. Th...   Apr 30 2011, 12:19 PM
- - Cary   Ok so it's only been "American way" ...   Apr 30 2011, 02:07 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ Apr 30 2011, 12:07 PM) Ok s...   May 1 2011, 10:39 PM
- - Tim Tilley   I'm just mostly re-posting what I said on Face...   Apr 30 2011, 02:30 PM
- - Dave Arhar   It's definitely a publicity stunt, but I think...   Apr 30 2011, 02:52 PM
- - Gonzogoose   Cary, you said "always," I was just corr...   Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ Apr 30 2011, 03:57 PM...   May 1 2011, 05:30 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 07:30 AM) It...   May 1 2011, 06:42 AM
- - Tim Tilley   I think the main reason I don't care is becaus...   Apr 30 2011, 02:57 PM
- - Gonzogoose   Honestly, I don't even think that was their in...   Apr 30 2011, 03:01 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   You realize of course that unless Superman (not Cl...   Apr 30 2011, 03:54 PM
- - Mike Luoma   Supes is an illegal. Always has been, really. Look...   Apr 30 2011, 04:30 PM
- - Eric Adams   Man, this thread is ripe for sparring... First, I...   Apr 30 2011, 08:08 PM
- - wwi3313   Perhaps if this was a part of a bigger storyline -...   Apr 30 2011, 09:00 PM
- - ChadStrohl   Sounds like the writer in question is honoring the...   Apr 30 2011, 10:47 PM
|- - tbrotomo   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ Apr 30 2011, 09:47 PM...   Apr 30 2011, 11:52 PM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 1 2011, 12:47 AM)...   May 2 2011, 07:30 AM
- - Gonzogoose   Cary, it's not that I don't understand... ...   May 1 2011, 09:12 AM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 1 2011, 10:12 AM)...   May 1 2011, 02:57 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 1 2011, 04:57 PM) As to...   May 2 2011, 07:53 AM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 06:53 AM)...   May 2 2011, 12:33 PM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 2 2011, 01:33 PM) G...   May 2 2011, 05:35 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 04:35 PM) It...   May 2 2011, 06:43 PM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 07:35 PM) Accor...   May 2 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - Gonzogoose   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:02 PM
- - Gonzogoose   I just think that there are two ways to view this....   May 1 2011, 03:34 PM
- - Cary   Being a Superman fan and reader going back almost ...   May 2 2011, 06:00 AM
|- - Zodar   QUOTE (Cary @ May 2 2011, 08:00 AM) And f...   May 2 2011, 06:35 AM
- - Kenn Minter   I'm on Superman's side. I think it's g...   May 2 2011, 07:55 AM
- - Glen Davis   http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoo...on-th...   May 2 2011, 11:33 AM
- - Liam Bradley   I F**KING LOVE THIS THREAD.   May 2 2011, 07:12 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Zodar @ May 2 2011, 09:30 AM) I...   May 2 2011, 09:01 PM
- - ChadStrohl   QUOTE (Mark Ellis @ May 2 2011, 09:30 PM)...   May 2 2011, 09:05 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (ChadStrohl @ May 2 2011, 07:05 PM)...   May 3 2011, 03:24 AM
|- - Glen Davis   QUOTE (cougar18 @ May 3 2011, 02:24 AM) W...   May 3 2011, 11:18 AM
|- - Gordon_D   Rather than get involved in some of the more jingo...   May 3 2011, 07:54 PM
|- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gordon_D @ May 3 2011, 06:54 PM) R...   May 4 2011, 05:00 AM
- - Cary   Ah, Brett Booth has decided everyone who has an op...   May 3 2011, 05:43 AM
|- - Mark Ellis   QUOTE (Cary @ May 3 2011, 07:43 AM) That ...   May 3 2011, 10:36 AM
- - Gonzogoose   He's not wadding it up and throwing it away, t...   May 3 2011, 05:57 AM
|- - Cary   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 06:57 AM)...   May 3 2011, 06:01 AM
- - cougar18   QUOTE (Gonzogoose @ May 3 2011, 05:12 AM)...   May 3 2011, 08:23 AM
- - cougar18   QUOTE (Zodar @ May 4 2011, 05:21 AM) Yeah...   May 4 2011, 06:44 AM


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